Did anyone else find it disturbing that the supposed “bad angel” Lucifer was the only one who cared about consent and the feelings of his vessel while Michael and his henchangels used every dirty trick in the book on Dean?
I think about this all the time.
If Lucifer treats someone better than you do, you’ve got issues
Lucifer’s honesty wasn’t born of good intentions. He knows what his reputation is, he knows that every word he says will be met with scrutiny and distrust. The only play that would work for him is honesty. He limited his interactions with Sam to things he could answer honestly without looking evil. That meant Sam would be unable to find fault with anything he said. As time went on and the “good” angels kept getting caught in lies and manipulations Lucifer would start to look like the better angel, the only one who had never lied and therefore the only one Sam could trust.
Notice how Luci controlled his conversation with Sam. Lucifer did most of the talking and said things that would trigger high emotions in Sam, which kept him from thinking clearly. This kept Sam from asking the loaded questions like “Are you planning to kill every human on the planet?” Luci stuck to topics that would paint him in a positive light while avoiding the topics that showed his true intentions of genocide. He controlled the flow of information to make him look more favorable and this is a classic manipulation technique that’s been used by every dictator in history
Lucifer is called the Father of Lies for a reason. He will say anything, promise anything, tell you whatever you need to hear to get what HE wants. He’s crafty, he’s the original Silver Tongue. He’ll tell you JUST enough truth to be believable, JUST this side of truth, with the depth of the lie just under the surface.
Besides, you know what, Lucifer didn’t actually respect consent. When Sam told him that he would kill himself before saying yes, Lucifer told Sam that he would just bring him back, and keep bringing him back. In other words, Lucifer would never let Sam die until he said yes, would hound him for eternity, and nobody in their right mind can call that good consent. It’s not that Lucifer cared about Sam’s consent, it’s that he required it.
It bothers me too that people champion Lucifer over the consent issue. He wasn’t being a good guy by asking Sam’s consent, he did it because he physically couldn’t possess Sam without consent. That was something God built into all the angels because God wanted humans to have the free will to refuse being a vessel. When Lucifer created demons he made them able to force themselves into any human they want because Lucifer hates humanity and free will. Lucifer built a race of beings that ignore consent, if he could bypass God’s programming and rip out his consent chip then he would have forced himself into Sam’s body the minute he jumped out of the pit
I adore the way Lucifer was portrayed on Supernatural but I never interpreted him as a respectable character. He’s a silver-tongued devil who was manipulating Sam because God made it impossible for Luci to take Sam by force
fun fact: Sam warming his hands wasn’t in the script. Before they shot this scene the director was talking to Jared and mentioned that it was a cold night. Jared thought the director was telling him to show that it was cold out, so he did this
One of my favorite Bobby lines.
The man had weapons stashed literally everywhere!
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